Thursday, March 10, 2011

Friday, May 6: Gatsby, Chapter 8

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124 comments:

  1. Do seasons/temperature have symbolize anything? For example, in chp. 7 it was extremely hot and also in chp. 7 alot happened, but the next day it was cooler out and fall was coming on. So one day later the weather changed alot and so did events.

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  2. I agree with what the inner circle is saying, he wasn't able to let daisy go which in turn led to his death because he could not let anything happen to daisy.

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  3. Did you think that there was any significance of Gatsby's gardener telling him that he plans to drain the pool? Was it possibly a foreshadowing or warning of Wilson?

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  5. In the chapter 8 for some reason Wilson relates the eye's of doctor T.G. Eckleburg are related to the eye's of god why do you think Wilson relates the poster to God?
    Another thing do you think Gatsby achieve the American dream?
    Why do you think F. Scott Fitzgerald made Gatsby die in the pool and not somewhere else?

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  6. Brett, I think that he was trying to symbolize that weather can change in a heart, just loke peoples moods, or chain of events that just randonly stop.

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  7. On page 149 Nick says of Gatsby "but now he had found that he had committed himself to the following of a grail." I think that this quote shows how Fitzgerald is comparing Gatsby's quest for Daisy to a spiritual quest. I think that Fitzgerald is criticizing the culture of the 20's because they have thrown God away and begun to worship other things such as money and girls.

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  8. Bret, i think the weather is portryaing the event in the book. They are showing the mood of the events. It was warm when something big was about to happen, kind of like someone full of anticipation with something. Then after the events the weather turned sour and it was showing sadness kind of.

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  9. Brett
    I think the temperature does symbolize something because at one of the parties in the previous chapter the weather began to change rapidly as did the events that occurred at the party.

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  10. When nick suggest to gatsby that he should leave Long Island and leave Daisy behind, Gatsby refuses to even consider the idea, this shows his true devotion to Daisy in his life.

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  11. What is the significance of Gatsby wanting to use the pool? Gatsby was also killed in the pool, so what could be the symbolism of that? Water is typically used as a symbol of life, and of birth, but while Gatsby was in the water, he was killed. This seems really odd to me. That, and he met Dan Cody on the water- so one could say his life "began" and ended with water.

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  12. I think that when gatsby loses dasiy that is his downfall because that is all that he cares about there is nothing else that he wants or that makes him happy

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  13. Gatsby is no longer great. Making the shallow Daisy his only focus, Gatsby surrenders his power of hope to the simple goal of gaining wealth. Gatsby’s dream is diminished to a motivation for material gain because the object of his dream is unworthy of his power of dreaming, the quality that makes him “great” in the first place.

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  14. I feel like time was largely involved with this chapter being with the pool, daisy, and Gatsby in general. Earlier in the book Daisy and Gatsby met for the first time in a long time and when that happened Gatsby broke a clock which I believe was foreshadowing for waisted time. In chapter 8 we learn of the demise of both Gatsby and his relationship with Daisy. The pool in my mind represents Gatsby's inability to go forward, the gardener asks if he can drain the pool due to the changing of seasons to avoid clogging the drains from the leaves. Gatsby says no and wants to enjoy it one last time, to me the past is was led to Gatsby's failed dream/life

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  15. Daisy does not come to see Gatsby outside, then later on it mentions how Gatsby's house is so dusty and large. I think these two connect because inside Gatsby his heart is empty and this is the same as the inside of his house. Also, once again the image of the clock comes up and his image as "Gatsby" is running up, what does this mean?

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  16. I also agree with the inner circle. I don't think Gatsby achieved the American dream in the long run. It seemed like he would have the satisfaction of the American dream because he worked so hard and it appeared that he got exactly what he was working for which was Daisy because he thought money could buy his happiness. After his intentions were exposed though he lost Daisy and he lolst everything he thought he wanted.

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  17. Grace- I think there was some significance because Gatbsy wanted to go in his pool for the first time but only wanted to because his gardner was going to drain the pool. If Gatsby let is be drained maybe he woulnd't have died. I think it was foreshadowing to later events though.

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  18. Brett-
    I think the temperature symbolizes not only the heat and passion of the relationships but also the struggles and confrontation of all of the characters. The events seem to line up very well with the changing weather; do you think that the changing weather relates to any character or relationship in particular?

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  19. Gatsby tells Nick about Daisy in Louisville in 1917. He says that he loved her for her youth and vitality, and idolized her social position, wealth, and popularity. has Gatsby's reason for loving her changed at all?

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  20. Dan, by this time i think its not detication on a level of love, but more on an obsestion with something that he is fixiated on. It seams to me that he is kind of crazy right now, and not really looking at devotion to someone.

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  21. Nick says that when he sees Gatsby floating dead in his pool he imagines what Gatsby's final thoughts were. What do you guys think Gatsby's final thoughts were?
    I think they were thoughts of daisy, and their past in Louisville.

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  22. I agree with Carlos that Gatsby got the money to "buy" Daisy, she left him because he was poor, at least that is what she said, he bought the bug house by her house and works so hard to make money so he can get Dasiy.

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  23. Hunter- i think that wilson relates the doctors eyes to god because the eyes could always see what was going on at his shop. and he kept referncing it because when he locked his wife in the room he knew she could see the eyes and the eyes could see her like when he says that god knows because hes always watching

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  24. Brett
    I think seasons symbolizes Gatsby emotion. Because when Gatsby was going to first meet Daisy it was raining outside and you kinda saw a different side of Gatsby. When it was cold you would also see a change in Gatsby character so it seems that the season reflex of Gatsby

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  25. Hunter maybe because Jay Gatsby started on the water, because it was when Dan Cody brought Gatsby onto the boat that he became Jay Gatsby and that is where his search for the American Dream began. So Jay Gatsby also died in the water so it has come full circle. what do you think Water could represent?

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  26. We finally understand the real story of Gatsby's past. He goes to war and became a very sucessful captain. Because of this, he was not let go but instead sent to Oxford and that is why Daisy could not wait any longer. Why is Nick so rude to Jordan? Since it is fall and the trees turn yellow. The color yellow represents how things are not as innocent anymore and things are coming to an end.

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  27. Lee
    Thats a very interesting way to think about it. I also noticed the broken clock, but never noticed how it portrayed to be a foreshadowing. The clock being broken, and now realizing that he failed himself he really has nothing to lose, showing that the Green light representing the American dream has kinda gone out in his world. He sees himself as a failure.

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  28. Nate, I think that Gatsby was feeling dissappointed in his failure to re-create the past he had with Daisy. Maybe he was thinking of ways he could try again and get her forever, or maybe he was thinking of how he is going to live without her.

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  29. delving into something a little bit more general Gatsby said the Daisy was his first love and he would never even comprehend leaving her again, do you think that the first love is the strongest or could Gatsby have found someone better and had achieved the American dream if he had just moved on?

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  30. Dan-
    I think that Gatsby's reasons for loving Daist have changed. I think her youth and vitality have vanished, and i think her effortts to be rich and sociallly elite have drained her personality.

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  31. Nate
    I think that his final thoughts were about his love for daisy sort of led to his death but he still loved her and hoped that she knew that by his actions.

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  32. nate- i think that he was thinking that he was still on top of the world. he still thought that daisey was going to come back to him and that he wasnt going to get caught when he killed myrtle. i think he had no idea that he was going to be killed

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  33. Brett:
    The weather absolutely symbolizes something, in all forms of literature. Different weather describes the events and mood. For example, Gatsby and Daisy’s reunion begins in the pouring rain, gloomy and awkward. Their love happens just as the sun begins to come out. Gatsby’s confrontation with Tom occurs on the hottest day of the summer, under the scorching sun. Its very intense and heated. Wilson kills Gatsby on the first day of autumn, when Gatsby wants to return things like they used to be. so a change in season symbolizes a change in his dream that he cannot change back.

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  34. Gatsby is in denial. For him, losing Daisy is like losing his life goal. He desperately wants to rekindle his past with her and now, talks to Nick about it in a desperate attempt to keep it alive. Even after the confrontation with Tom, Gatsby is unable to accept that his dream is dead.

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  35. Nate- I agree with you because Gatsby's life could have flashed before his eyes right before he dies, and his most memorable moments are of Daisy in Louisville in 1917, maybe one of the best or happiest times in his life

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  36. Nate-
    I agree with you. Gatsby's life was Daisy pretty much. he did everything he could for her anytime. So obviously she was constantly on his mind so i think she was on his mind when he died

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  37. Nate, hello, i think your on the right track. Gatsby was most likly recolecting his time with daisy and maybe event ploting again at a way to get her back. I don't think he was said about Daisy while he was in the pool but almost happy thinking about old time.

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  38. Okay, here are some final thoughts on Daisy before the last chapter of the book- I don't like her. She's shallow, narcissistic, and only looks out for number one. Which is her. She even ignores her child, which is terrible. Daisy is a really summer-y name, so the fact that his relationship with Daisy ending coinciding with the summer winding down was really significant, I felt. She reminds me of Summer, from 500 Days of Summer. Really fickle.

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  39. Earl- I think since Gatsby and Daisy were together for so long and that she would come back to him after the war made him think that was the american dream. After that point no other girl gave him as much satisfaction as Daisy did. He had everything else as part of the american dream just not the girl.

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  40. I agree with Sean. Fall is when things die, and it could have been foreshadowing Gatsby's death from the world and his and daisy's relationships death.

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  41. I like the idea that gatsbys realationship with daisy is kind of represented by the weather and i think that as it goes into the fall and winter the more the realationship dies

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  42. jacob- i agree, i think since he had the dream of being with daisey his whole life that there would be no way that he could just give up on his dream. i think that if he had never been killed that he would have the dream of being with her for the rest of his life.

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  43. EmilyK2012
    That's pretty deep Emily I didn't even think of that but maybe water represents Aside from being an essential of life one cannot go without water very long it is an ancient symbol of refreshing, irrigation, and growth so maybe that's what water represent like its the American Dream that people can't live with out it and the way Gatsby grew from what he was

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  44. Nate, I agree with you as well because he even mentions that many men have loved Daisy and that makes her seem more valuable to him.

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  45. Gatsby seems like such a tragic character to me. He lives in the past, he can't just let go. He wanted to live forever, but he was killed in the prime of his youth, for a crime he didn't commit. It's just... heartbreaking. I really feel for Gatsby. He was the one character that I really liked, other than Nick.

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  46. Do you guys think that Gatsby died happy with what he accomplished, or sad because of what he did not accomplish?
    I think that Gatsby is sad because all that he really cared about was Daisy, and in the end he failed to get her, so i dont think the riches or anything else made him happy.

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  47. Earl-
    I do believe that he could have found a new love and moved on with his life, yet I'm not sure if that would have changed if he was murdered or not by Wilson

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  48. Connor-
    Do you think the all the seasons showed his life? Winter was when he was alone without Daisy , Spring was when Gatsby and Daisy start seeing eachother, Summer is when they were at their best, and then fall is when their reltionship dies.

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  49. Gatsby's dream is now reduced to a desire for wealth or material gain because the girl he was dreaming of for so long was not worth it in the end. I think this tells alot about the American dream, and how things dont always work exactly how you want.

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  50. I have a very broad question. So people have been saying that Gatsby never had the American Dream. Technically Tom and Daisy do not have the American dream because they both were having affairs and neither were fully content with eachother even though they claimed to at some point loved eachother. but my question is, Does the American Dream actually exist?

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  51. what do you think was going through Wilson's mind through the whole mess? (While he was investigating, killing Gatsby, and then killing himself?)

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  52. Is there significance in the way Fitzgerald portrayed the pool with Gatsby in it? I see it as the blood flowed out into the huge pool it portrays how Gatsby corrupted the lives of everyone else and how he had an influence on everyone. what is your oppinion?

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  53. Nate,good reason but i think he died both happy and sad. He was probably sad because he lost Daisy and he was probably happy because he was also rembering how times where. When they were still together. I believe these memories were playing back in Gatsby's head as he died. Both of these would make him sad and happy.

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  54. On page 154 Nick says to Gatsby, "They are rotten crowd, you're worth the whole damn bunch put together". This is the only comment Nick said he ever GAVE to Gatsby. This is foreshadowing an ending for him. Also, it says that he dissaproves of Gatsby beginning to end, if so why would would he help him so much?

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  55. Daisy seems to me like a "fair weather friend" she only loves Gatsby when it's convenient to her; When she was a beautiful little fool she fell in love with him because he was the best she had at the time, then Tom betrayed her with Myrtle and she found refuge with Gatsby again, and after she left him because she reconciled with Tom and didn't need support or attention from him anymore.

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  56. do you think that nick truely cared about gastby? In the end of the chapter when nick was going back to gastby's house was he going there because he thought they were "friends" or was there another reason he went back to his house?

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  57. Gatsby made Daisy a symbol of stuff he values, and made the green light on her dock a symbol of his destiny with her. We can conclude from this chapter that symbols are created by the mind and don’t possess any set-in-stone meaning; rather, people invest them with meaning.

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  58. Nate-
    I agree. I mean his life was all Daisy all the time. He was trying to impress her, trying to keep her, trying to make her happy. Thats all he did and that seems like its the only thing that makes him happy. So i too think he died sad of the accomplishments he didnt achieve

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  59. I think Gatsby is was ambitios to let Daisy live her own life and to selfish to realize that she had a life i also think it would have hurt him to much to just move on so thats why i think Gatsby could not leave Dasiy alone

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  60. Jacob
    I agree with you that he lost his goal. His love for her was shattered. Much like how his lust for the American Dream perished along with Daisys love for Tom.

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  61. Katie-
    I agree with you that Gatsby is a tragic character, but i think he was setting himself up for failure because his expectations were so high that the money, the lifestyle, and the girl couldnt live up to how he pictured it.

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  62. Tyler S
    -I believe that nick looked up to Gatsby he might of cared about him a little but I think he more looked up at him more like a big brother of some sort

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  63. I think its called the great Gatsby because it is a great adventure of Gatsby falling in love with a woman, going off to war, trying to find her after the war and becoming extremely rich to get the woman he loves.

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  64. Lee i agree that Gatsby lives in the past. But i think that it is not necessarily living in the past as he is living in his dreams. I think that because Gatsby doesn't really have a background he can't live in the past instead he is living in the past that he created for himself, essentially he is living in a lie. Also has his life has continued he hasn't changed or adjusted his dreams at all. I think that he is so determined to achieve the American Dream and to have the perfect life that he can't appreciate what he has right in front of him instead he is never content but always chasing something.

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  65. Nate- I agree there would be no way Gatsby would be happy, its sad but true. He did everything for her like have all those parties and get all that money for her. He even lived on the west egg for her so he could be closer to her.

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  66. Nate
    I do not think he died being happy with what he accomplished. Sure he had money and power but he never got what he worked so hard to get because daisy had a husband who she did love.

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  67. Nate- I think Gatsby died happy on the outside, but deep down he was sad because of the way things worked out with daisy. He was happy because through his life he was known for having extravagant parties and alot of people at them and he was very rich, but all that lifestyle was to try to get Daisy which he didnt in the end.

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  68. While in the hospital, we slowly start to see that Wilson is going crazy. He knew it was Gatsby that killed his wife and he was ready for revenge. That is why he shots him and shoots himself. Is there greater meaning in his actions? Is all this trouble and all these deaths worth one girl? How is Daisy going to react?

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  69. This quote struck me as really important- "...He must have felt that he had lost the old warm world, paid a high price for living too long with a single dream. He must have looked up at an unfamiliar sky through frightening leaves and shivered... A new world... where poor ghosts, breathing dreams like air drifted fortuitously about.. like that ashen fantastic figure gliding toward him through the amorphous trees. " We get a shot of how scary the world seems to Gatsby now that his dream is dead, and we get the sybolism of the ashes- of things once passed, now gone.

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  70. The problem with Gatsby is he never did anything for Himself! He was an intelligent man that planned a lifestyle that would win the girl of his dreams. The wealth was all for Daisy and the man he had become was the man he thought Daisy wanted him to be. The problem is he didnt have personal goals or motivations. Everything was in order to reach Daisy. So to answer a previous question. I think that Gatsby died defeated and sad. He had no personal accomplishments because he never won the prize, Daisy.

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  71. Coming off of Gatsby being murdered I feel like the eyes in the waist land represent the all seeing eye or God's eyes that put judgment on those who wrongly effect others or miss the meaning of life. I think the cracked glasses represent the fraud in corruption that the waist land represents in the 1920's almost to say that life in that era was focused on material goods and lies. Sorry if that didn't make sense. Basically what I' m trying to say is that do you think the eyes led to Gatsby's murder?

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  72. Katie-
    I thought that quote was extremely significant aswell. But what did you think was so new about the world? Yes, he did lose the love of his life but he seems more enlightened than depressed with this passage.

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  73. Grace- I definitely agree with you. She doesn't really care for Gatsby, she feels almost as if she can and will use them for her own nefarious purposes. Like she's so entitled to it. Which is really what's wrong with her, she feels entitled to almost everything.

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  74. Tyler, friends have a different meaning in every friendship, but I do think that they were friends. Friends maybe diffrent than what we think of them, but friend none the less. Maybe not friends but they were conncered for each other and Nick was very effect by Gatsby and that only happens with personal people, most likely friends.

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  75. Brook
    I think that Daisy might do something to harm herself or Tom because it really was her fault that people died.

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  76. Katie, I think that quote also represents how lonely Gatsby feels in the world since he feels like he is without Daisy. He feels scared that he has no plan now because he spent 5 years with one plan in mind and that was to have Daisy forever.

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  77. I expected it to be Tom or Daisy who would end up killing Gatsby, not Wilson. What do you think drove Wilson to killing Gatsby?
    I think he was crazy

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  78. Do you think that Gatsby would of ever gotten Daisy back if Gatsby didn't get killed or would Daisy stayed with Tom?
    Do you think She will at least show up to his funeral?
    Do you think anyone will show up to Gatsby funeral?
    What do you think Trent

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  79. hunter- i think that daisy would not have gone back to gastby because she is always looking for the easy road and it wouldnt be easy trying to be with him when he took the blame for the murder. Also i think if gastby lived tom would have tried to do what wilson was trying to do, take her away so he can have her to himself.

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  80. It’s tragic to see how deeply in love Gatsby is with Daisy. Gatsby brainwashed himself by regarding Daisy with beauty and meaning. If Gatsby did not view her with such value, Daisy would be simply a bored, rich young woman with no particular moral values or loyalty.

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  81. on page 156 Nick says "When I passed the ashheaps on the train that morning i had crossed deliberately to the other side of the car." I think that this quote shows how Nick is different from the other characters in the book because I think that this is showing his ability to move on from things, unlike Gatsby.

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  82. Brooke- If i was Wilson I would want to get revenge on Gatsby for killing my wife. I think he went to far to shoot Gatbsy and to shoot himself. I think Daisy is going to not really care about what happened because she seems to be all about herself and doesn't care about anyone else. She is going to come back to Tom and act like nothing has ever happened.

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  83. Wilson looks at the eyes of T.J. Eckleburg and compares them to the eyes of God. Was this whole story a religious quest? Or are all of the characters seeking approvement from God? There is a deeper connection between the two as well. They mean something different to each character but everyone is always being watched over.

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  84. Katie-
    Firstly, ha that was awesome. :) Secondly, shnazzy word choice. I don't like Daisy either she has an extreme false sense of entitlement in her mind its me me me; she will do whatever it takes to get what she thinks she needs.

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  85. Grace- What was new was that he had lost his dream, "his" Daisy. He does seem to have a sort of enlightenment, but it's the kind of enlightenment you achieve right before death. You know what I mean? It seems almost as if he realizes he was wrong in thinking what the world was about before. He now knows what the world is really about, and he needed to contemplate it in his pool.

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  86. Dakota,
    I feel like Wilson felt like what he was doing was gods will that T. J. Eckleburgs eyes were telling him to do this. What I don't understand is why he took his own life afterwards

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  87. What do you think the eyes of TJ Eckleburg on the billboard the morning after the accident symbolize?
    I think the Eyes symbolize the eyes of God, because they always seem to be watching and judging all the characters.

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  88. In the inner circle, Wilie just mentioned that there could be two spearate sides to the American dream. One side can be about greed and money while the other is about happiness and success. Could these two separate sides of the American dream represent the two different Eggs? If the West Egg and East Egg represent different parts of the American dream could that be why Gatsby and Daisy didnt work out? Daisy lives in East Egg where maybe the dream is about money because she shows us in the past that it is very important to her and Gatsby lives in the West Egg and he spends all his time trying to achieve the dream of happiness.

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  89. Does the having the happiness have a better feeling than the money and the fame? Gatsby has everything that he could have ever wanted. His mistake not to let Daisy go, led to the downfall of all of what he is. He doesnt realize what he has, because Daisy had such a stronger experience on him.

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  90. Nate
    I agree that he was crazy but he was also angry about Myrtle dying and he was trying to get revenge.

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  91. Nate, dude think with your heart. Wilson really loved his wife. Even Mrs. Wilson said so when they were in the appartment. She said that he was so inlove with her it wasn't even funny. Wilson loved his wife so much that when she died, it unglued him and he was so hurt that he didn't know what to do and just wanted to get the hurt to got away. His idea of doing this is to kill the people thatkilled his wife.

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  92. Brooke-
    Since Daisy is kinda the self centered person I think she will like all of the attention she is getting because not alot of that stuff affects her. She might just think that everyone is giving her alot of attention.

    How does Daisy feel about Gatsby dying though? Is she hiding what she truely feels?

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  93. Hunter- I am glad you aked me because I think that Daisy would have stayed with Tom no matter even if Gatsby died. I think it just fits for Gatby's life because he had nothing else to live for and this was it. As far as people showing up to his funeral I don't think many people will, but I think Daisy and Nick will show up. TYler come at me.

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  94. I think the book is trying to portrey the american dream as happieness because gatsby had so much but he was never happy and nothing mattered at that point so I think that in order for those matirial things to have meaning you have to be happy first

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  95. I guess his little card couldn't get him out of murder. It got him murdered.

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  96. I think that Daisy never had any feelings for Gatsby and when they had a thing it was just Daisy using Gatsby and his riches for her own personal gain, Gatsby in the end got crushed because Daisy lead him on when he was in love, and dedicated his whole life to Daisy.

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  97. Emily,
    do you think that that quote shows Gatsby in a way like he's in a clean place like Gatsby tries to portray but he's only looking at the past and his poor life

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  98. Dakota M- Holy moly, I think you've got something. I agree with you completely.

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  100. Nate-
    I think that Wilson was so emotionally dysfunctional that he couldn't control his actions. Wilson seemed to always be a depressed men, which symbolizes why he lived in the Valley of Ashes. The Ashes symbolize his clouded dark life, like him living in a dump. He has no purpose. So when he first finds out about his wife's affair, he makes himself physically Ill. He then makes Daisy stay upstairs and not leave until they left the Valley of Ashes. But when Myrtle is "murdered" (in his eyes) he feels like he has nothing to live for and therefor wants to atleast have some purpose, which would be killing the man that killed his wife. this was his feeling of purpose in the world, because he never had any purpose before.

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  101. Nate I think that part of the symbolism of the valley of ashes is death, and things that have died, or the past. I think that Gatsby was killed by Wilson because Wilson came from the Valley of ashes so it could be like Gatsby's past catching up with him and putting an end to him so that he becomes part of the ashes of the past as well.

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  102. I agree with Cody, that Mr. Wilson was not thinking right, even towards the end of the chapter when Mr. Wilsons friend was trying to locate him after he left, witnesses said he was acting strange and acting strangly when they drove past him.

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  103. The eyes of Doctor T. J. Eckleburg are disturbing because although Wilson thinks of the eyes as God’s they are not. They have no fixed meaning. Wilson takes T. J. Eckleburg’s eyes and concludes his misguided belief that Myrtle’s killer must have been her lover. George’s allegation concludes that the eyes represent a moral standard, and that he must avenge Myrtle’s death.

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  104. trent! i agree with you that tom and daisy will come to gatsby's funeral but i think they will go just because there will be a lot of people there and not because anyone cares for gastby.

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  105. Speaking of funeral attendees, I don't think Daisy is going to attend. She already said goodbye to him when she left him. I think Nick is going to attend, because he really believes in Gatsby as a wonderful person. But other than that, maybe a bunch of his old party guests? Or maybe it'll only be Nick. That would be so sad.

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  106. Andrew-
    I definitely agree. One of the main ideals Fitzgerald tries to highlight in this book is happiness instead of wealth. I feel like he was relating it to his own life as he was unhappy with all his drinking, parties, and relationship.

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  107. Trent
    I agree with you on that last blog

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  108. I think in this chapter we finally realize who Gatsby really is, and i think that Nick starts to really have feelings for Gatsby,and thats why Nick tries to compliment him.

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  109. At the very end of the chapter, it says that the holocaust is over. This could mean the deaths of Wilson and Gatsby or something else was "killed". For example, Daisy's relationship with Gatsby, Gatsby's parties and wealth, and Gatsby's chance at the American Dream. Any other possibilities?

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  110. Yes Gatsby threw the partys just because of Daisy since he has been with Daisy he has not had any partys, Gatsby never wanted too many friends just Daisy. I think he even admitted to Nick that he threw the partys just so he can see Daisy.

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  111. Trent-
    I think Daisy would show up for respect of Gatsby after all they were deeply in love with each other, tom however may just go because Daisy would go.

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  112. I find it interesting how Tom lost his mistress and Daisy lost Gatsby, like they never achieve their "AMERICAN DREAM" they lost the thing that they wanted so they ended up in the exact same place, miserable with eachother.

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  113. Brooke
    I think that it means Gatsby and everything he was associated with because he was doing illegal things and selfish things to get Daisy and he didn't really care about others.

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  114. I agree with Lee, Gatsby had the reason for chasing the american dream but he did it wrong and we find out the consequences of that at the end of the chapter.

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  115. Brooke-
    I think by the Holocaust it meant their lifestyles and innocent ignorance. So, all of it. The holocaust was a genocide; a mass murder I think all of it was "killed."

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  116. Trent-
    I think that Tom will not show up for sure. Why would he go to the funeral of his wifes affair? But Nick i think has grown to really appreciate Gatsby and what he does. Daisy will show up because of the affair.

    Will Daisy show up because of just the affair? Or does she truely love him again?

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  117. Nate I think that Wilson was saying that Dr. TJ Eckleburg's eyes are like God's, but I also think that it is ironic that it is a billboard, or an advertisement. I think that Fitzgerald could be saying that people have become so obsessed with materialism and consumerism that it has replaced God, and people now worship what ever is presented to them in advertisement and that is why they are never happy because they always think they need the latest things.

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  118. Earl-
    I find that to be interesting also. But I wonder how the Buchanan's are feeling because both Tom and Daisy lost someone who they deeply loved, but shouldn't have. Will this restore their marriage or ruin it even more?

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  119. I think that Gatsby is unable to accept that his dream of Daisy is dead, even though Nick makes it clear that Daisy will not leave Tom for Gatsby under any cirumstances, Gatsby is stubborn and he still thinks he is going to get Daisy.

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  120. Earl
    I agree in some senses but at the same time I think the Tom and Daisy have a new respect for each other and they might realize why they got married in the first place.

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  121. I think Gatsby was lost but he never knew he was lost but in his mind he was happy because he has won Daisy and now he has tons of money and the woman he loves.

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  122. Nick missed his train because he didnt wnt to leave Gatsby. Do you think that means anything? Does Nick see Gatsby as a friend? or did he just stay to talk?

    Gatsby doesnt want to leave Daisy. Gatsby had told Nick that he thinks that Daisy really doesnt love Tom but that she was saying that stuff out of fear. Gatsby is still detremined to win Daisy over, he thinks that she still loves him but if Daisy had really love Gatsby would she have done more to try and find Gatsby? And when she had found Gatsby wouldnt she have left Tom? She also told Gatsby that she would wait for him while he was at war but she ended up with Tom before Gastby was out of the war. I think that Daisy really doesnt love Gatsby any more, she only looking out for her self and wants to make sure that she stays with someone who will always be rich and will be able to give the money to their kids when they die so they pass on the money.


    Wilson thinks that Gatsby was his wifes lover. What made him think it was Gatsby? How did he find the yellow car?

    To answer Corys question I think that Wilson had thought that the person that killed Myrtle was her lover because he wanted to find a reason to blame it on another person then himself. He also may have thought that he she was running out into the road to talk to her lover even though she was hit. If you were to think about it, if it was her lover why would she have been hit? If her lover really did love her I think that they would have stopped and not just drove away.

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  123. During this chapter, a lot seemed to happen and dramatically change. From this chapter the first thing that really stuck out to me was the significance of the pool. Water in general seemed to be a good part of the book where people met for the first time, and met after awhile of not seeing eachother, and even a place for the ending of a life. On another topic, I feel like when Gatsby loses Daisy it is the end feeling of his life, goals and dreams. I feel like all he wanted was to be with her in the end and now that she is gone he has nothing to try for. With the clock coming up again, what is the meaning of that? I believe it is becuase the clock to me symbolizes time passing. With each minute that passes, it is time for Gatsby to do something he feels is right in his life. Lastly, why does Gatsby's character and personality change with the weather. To me I feel like everyones character changes a little. For some people cloudy and foggy weather makes them more lazy and down, while others can say the opposite. His character changes based off of how he feels and what the weather really is like.

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